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Now, first to the main talk this evening, it's going to be given by Mr Colin McCarthy,

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who met before on this platform. He comes from Australia, he's an electronics engineer,

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and has worked one time on the American space program with NASA. He was in at the start

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of UFO research in Australia in 1954, and so has considerable experience of

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uvolity in that area of the world. Subject to his talk tonight is the UFO in Australia,

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Mr McCarthy.

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Thank you. I'd like to start by wishing everybody a happy new year, and forgive me if I sit

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down, but I've got a bad back.

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British time.

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Yes. Now, I'd like to start by telling you something about the early days of ufology

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in Australia, and when I say early days, it's not all that early, really, but it really

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begins in 1954, and a gentleman in Sydney called Mr Edgar Gerald was really the beginner

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of the story in Australia, and we have with us tonight Mr Andrew Tomas, who will after

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the coffee break be giving us a short little talk, and he was with Mr Tomas from the very

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beginning, and I have here a very historical document going slightly yellow with age.

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It's the original little newspaper put out in 1954, 55, by Mr Gerald and Mr Tomas. It

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was called the Australian Flying Salsa Magazine, and it did run for reasonable time and really

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was full of interesting news, but unfortunately Mr Gerald decided to give up ufology, and the

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magazine became defunct.

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I'd like to now switch to South Australia, where I carried out most of the research.

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At the time I'm speaking, 54, 55, Australia was being a large place, was sort of split

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in the UFO field. There was some activity going on, a lot of activity going on in Adelaide,

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South Australia, a little in Perth and just a trace in Melbourne. Now, for some reason,

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Adelaide became the centre for about five years of really concentrated ufology. And I just

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like to mention several things that happened in the early days, and one of them concerns

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a Mr Keith Cartwright. Now, there's been lots of talk lately about UFO detectors, and you

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may have noticed that I brought one along, an electronic one, a prototype a few weeks ago.

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Well, Mr Keith Cartwright in 1955, as far as we know, was the first person to build a

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magnetic compass type of detector, and he is resident in Adelaide, South Australia. He

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received a great deal of publicity throughout the world, and he had interviews on radio

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and in the papers, and as you can imagine in those days, especially in a backwater like

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Australia, it created quite a flap. But like lots of things in Australia, where there's

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a strong sun shining overhead and plenty of beer in the pubs, it sort of all died a natural

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life, and the society there sort of went underground, almost underground anyway, after the initial

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flap. Now, I'd like to tell you something about this detector and what happened. It's the most

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interesting story. Now, Mr Cartwright is a very hard headed businessman who runs a real

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estate agency, and as you possibly know, there's no one really more hard headed than a real

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estate agent. And he was interested in ufology for some time prior to the beginnings of the

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society, which was actually founded in South Australia by Mr Fred Stone, possibly some of you

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have heard of him. Now, Keith thought about the problem. He was in the Air Force as a

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navigator, and also he'd studied engineering. One night, he was sitting down quite quietly in his

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home after a hard day's work, and suddenly he said into his mind, as it were, and now he wasn't

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one to believe in mental telepathy or anything like this, a complete plan appeared of a simple

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UFO detector, consisted of a compass needle, and a contact, a buzzer, and later on a relay, which he

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added actually to improve the thing. Now, he wondered where this came from, and he said it just

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appeared in his brain, as it were, like a mental picture. So he thought, well, this is too good to be

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true. I'll build it, see what happens. So he did build it, and he tried a few prototypes, and eventually

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settled on a fairly advanced model of this type, where he actually silver-plated contacts and used a

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contact ring so that the compass needle fitted tightly in this ring, so no matter whether it had a

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vertical or a horizontal component change, it would touch a contact, operate a relay which would bring a

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bell. And at the same time, he was told that this device would work. If he was to set this up very

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quickly, as quickly as he could, within the next few weeks, he would have proof that it would work. Now, I must

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stress again that Mr. Cartwright is not one to go into fancies of mental telepathy and such things, so this makes

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the story even more interesting. So he set the detector up and got in touch with me, and myself and another

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early researcher, Mr. Peter Thomas, who was an electronics engineer as well, will go around very

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skeptically, of course, to see this great UFO detector. And I must say, when we first saw it, it looked

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slightly laughable. But never mind, I'm afraid we were the ones to be sneered at later on for our

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derision. Now, one evening, back in 1955, it was rainy. Now, a very significant thing this rain, it was

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unlike the rain here in England, in Australia when it rains, it really rains. You get subtropical downpours,

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you might get five inches in an hour. Well, this night it was just drizzling, which is fairly unusual, and it was in

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the middle of winter. And when I say winter, the temperature was about 65, as cold as it gets. And we were all

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sitting around the table discussing different aspects of ufology, discussing George Adams' skin, his

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claims and such, when suddenly the detector went off. The exact second the detector went off, the rain

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over the house suddenly teemed for about five seconds. It literally poured, and then suddenly it stopped and

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went back to drizzle again. Now, I thought, coincidence, fair enough. So, we let that one pass, because obviously you

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couldn't see anything outside because of the low cloud pace. The very next night, again it was raining, it was part of a rain

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pattern that lasted about a week. The same thing happened almost at the same time, it was about 9.30 in the

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evening. The detector went off again, and again the rain suddenly increased, terrifically, as if someone had suddenly

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hit a bucket over the house, and then it died away. And we noticed that as it died away, the detector stopped working.

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Now, we got in touch with some chaps who were in the UFO group at the time, Mr. Fred Stones' group, who

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collect information about UFOs in the sky, like newspaper cuttings and such like. And we learned that that evening in the

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country, a large disc shaped object had been seen by three separate people. And they're plotting, they're back plotting the

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course, it would have passed directly over, the suburb of Adelaide, where we were. Again, this is only

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circumstantial, but very interesting all the same, I think you'll agree. Now, we've got all sorts of wonderful theories as to how this

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could happen, how the rain could increase, why the rain increased. One theory is that if the UFO was travelling very close to the

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cloud layer, cloud base, in clear air above, and in fact it had a fairly large mass, and if the actual anti-graph drive

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unit was producing a large force field as it would do, perhaps the downward thrust, the equally levitating upward thrust of the

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craft to make it hover and travel forward, might have been acting on the rain particles or the dust particles in the cloud and causing

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condensation to increase. Pure theory, we don't know, but it was too much of a coincidence for it to happen, two nights running.

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The next thing that happened is that about a week later, Mr Cartwright was sitting quietly again in his house and suddenly he got in his

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mind's eye again, a complete colour picture. He said it was as if someone had shown a slide on the wall, and it showed, he was looking

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actually slightly from a downward angle at a UFO that was hovering over the sea. It was in brilliant sunshine, and this was at night

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remember, but this UFO was in brilliant sunshine, and there was a chap standing on the outer rim, and he was feeding a long cable into the sea.

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And he looked up, and this is strange to say, but Keith Cartwright said he looked up and looked at me as if he was aware that I was looking at him.

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And mind you, Keith hadn't been drinking, and he wasn't asleep. He said this chap was dressed in a one-piece garment of the usual type, we've known about now for some time, and did have long blonde hair.

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So Keith immediately thought, hello, it's wishful thinking, I'm getting George Adamusky type people.

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And then he got a mental impression that this place was Papua New Guinea. Now this is very significant, remember this, because later on I'll tell you about the Father Gull case, which I think a lot of you know already,

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this place took place in this area about four years later. And this chap gave him the impression that he was taking a temperature reading of the ocean in the tropics.

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And then Keith suddenly became conscious of the fact that this very UFO would be passing over the Adelaide Hills. There's the hills at the back of the city of Adelaide, they rise to about two and a half thousand feet.

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And that there was a little gully called Kerry's gully situated sort of in the back of these hills. And he got the impression that if he was to go to this particular place three days from that date, this craft would be passing over.

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Now he was stressed to him in this sort of mental contact, if you like, that in no way were they doing this to oblige him.

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It just happened that they were doing research along a fault line that exists through the Adelaide Hills and that if he happened to be there at the right time he would see them.

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So we thought, oh, this is something, so we all trooped up and went into the Adelaide Hills. And we had a picnic at Kerry's gully.

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And as usual the Australian keg was present. Keg by the way, full of beer. But this didn't sort of make us see things in the sky.

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And about five o'clock we decided to give it away that obviously nothing was going to happen. So we left Kerry's gully, we came home.

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I'll never forget my, well I'll never forget the look on my face, I suppose, as someone else would see it. The next morning when I opened the paper and a farmer in Kerry's gully had reported that at five fifteen that very night an unidentified flying disc had flown low over his farm,

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hobbled for a few seconds over the outer paddock, the very paddock in which we were camping, and then it disappeared. So we missed it by fifteen minutes.

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Now that's possibly one of the most significant cases I know where an apparent mental contact has agreed with a physical sighting. But again, circumstantial.

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Now another very interesting case of UFOs magnetically affecting equipment took place in, again in South Australia, in 1955. And this took place between two telephone exchanges.

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Now at the time I was finishing off my diploma course with the Adelaide University and as part of our training in the communication section we were allocated to various telephone exchanges for a short period of time.

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And I was situated at that time at the Woodville Telephone Exchange. And this was in the evening at about 7.30pm suddenly all the equipment stopped functioning.

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Now for this to happen in a telephone exchange is most remarkable. The fluorescent lights dipped for a fraction of a second came back on again, but every single piece of equipment in the exchange dropped out.

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Now I might explain here that the switches that operate in telephone exchange are magnetically operated, electromagnetically operated.

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Every single switch of every call was being progressed through that exchange at that instant stopped.

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Now this only happened for about five seconds.

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Now when the switches drop out they stay dropped out until the subscriber calls again.

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Well of course everybody started to call it once and as they call dropped out they started to redial. I know they're going to meet all the calls progressed normally.

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But the fact was noted in the log of the exchange as being unexplained.

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Now it couldn't have been a power failure because the telephone exchange receives its power for all the switching from batteries, wet cell batteries.

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So it's completely independent of the mains.

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Now they receive notification about a half an hour later the North Adelaide telephone exchange which is junctioned with the Woodville exchange rang up the supervisor and said we've just had a very funny thing about a half an hour ago.

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He said all those switches dropped out.

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Have you any explanation? And he said well that's funny all those switches have dropped out too.

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And so they got their heads together and came up with a big fat zero of course and the whole matter was conveniently forgotten.

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But I took note of the time in the log and then as a thought hit me and I plotted on a map took a line between the two telephone exchanges.

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Now it's interesting to note that the time between the two dropouts was about 30 seconds extrapolating forward knowing the distance between the two telephone exchanges and the time between the dropouts plus or minus say 10% because they keep a fairly accurate log.

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By going back along that line I found it intersected the city of Melbourne from 500 miles to the east.

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The very next day a reporter appeared in the Melbourne press about a flying poached egg of all things that had been seen going over Melbourne that night.

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And it fitted perfectly.

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If you took the time that the object was seen over Melbourne on its course it was put on a course from different observers of the flying saucer group in Melbourne.

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The exact speed it was doing it would have agreed exactly with my fingers that going over those two telephone exchanges.

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So here again we have another example of the extremely strong magnetic field of the craft temporarily affecting the switches in the telephone exchange.

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Just how it caused the complete electromagnetic dropout I don't really know but it certainly did.

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Now we progressed from flying poached eggs to some early investigations of landings.

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This is mainly what I specialised in in Australia and as you know doubt know Australia's had a great deal of landings.

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I think for the simple reason that it's less populated than here.

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I don't know whether you are aware that the total population of Australia is now just equal to the population of Greater London.

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11 and a half million people since they extended the boundaries of London.

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And that 11 and a half million people are scattered over an island continent the size of the United States.

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So you can see that there are vast tracks of land where nobody lives and in some cases nothing lives.

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For instance in the Northern Territory of Australia you could fit the British Isles three times in the Northern Territory.

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It has a total population of 110,000 people.

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Half of it is tropical half of it is desert.

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Well the very first one of the two interesting cases of landings took place in a fruit growing area outside of Adelaide in 1958-59 around January.

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Two fruit growing farmers were on their way about four o'clock in the morning to Manon a small town where they would sell their produce to the market.

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And they topped the rise and they said suddenly in a field in front of them they saw a great, what they thought was a circus tent with rotating lights on it, red and green lights.

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And they thought what in the devil is a circus tent doing in the middle of a field at 4am in the morning.

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So as they sort of went to go towards it the engine of their truck stopped.

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This seems to be a very common thing as you probably know with UFO phenomena.

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And one of the chaps suddenly got scared and he said I had a funny feeling that something was watching me.

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I don't know why, so I hadn't at that time thought that anything was unusual but there was something alien he said later, watching him.

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Well they got out of the truck and they started to walk towards the object.

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Now we investigated the field with a theodolite, geiger counters and what have you.

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And the object was about 150 feet in diameter.

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It turned out and it did in fact leave a depression on the ground at one point around the centre as if it was resting on some centre pillar.

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As they approached they said they heard a very slight whirring sound and the red lights rotated one way and the green lights rotated another and the craft lifted into the air quite silently except for this very faint hum.

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Tipped to an angle of about 45 degrees and then swayed with a leaf type notion.

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This again is significant, lots of UFO reports report this fact of a swaying and suddenly shot into the sky disappearing over the nearby hills.

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They of course ran like hell for their car and took off being fairly simple folk and they blurted out their story.

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It appeared in the papers and then it was discovered that the people of Mannum had seen the object hovering over their town about an hour later.

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And that object appeared for the next fortnight, every night without fail over that town.

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At one stage it swooped quite low over the same field as the farmers, with the same field as the farmers already.

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Completely unexplained phenomenon.

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Now at the same time to get collaboration between stories to really make it interesting,

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a young cinematograph operator from Port Elliot which is a seaside town of South Australia about 50 miles from the city of Adelaide

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was coming home one night after the finishing of the cinema and he reported seeing an object on the ground that looked like a circus tent.

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And he gave exactly the same description, even to the same humming noise, even to the same falling leaf motion.

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Now I might tell you now that this chap's report came out before the big flap in the papers about the original one.

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So there could have been no collaboration between the two.

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And again there was flattened area of grass where the object had been resting.

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He thinks he saw a shadowy figure near the object, but this is purely circumstantial again and he doesn't really know.

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There were no footprints.

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Now we come to a very interesting case and this involves official silence from the security.

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At this time I was engaged at the weapons research establishment in Salisbury South Australia and at Wommerer.

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So I know a bit about security.

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In fact, at times it was so bad you almost had to have a security officer go with you when you went to the toilet.

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In some places.

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Now, three young lads were travelling back across the Nullar Bore Plains.

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They extend for about a thousand miles and they're literally without trees.

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And they were approaching the South Australian border across this flat desert type road.

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When an object appeared off their right-hand side of their car.

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And it swooped in low and it commenced to fly in ever decreasing circles.

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Reminds me of a story.

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Slowly coming closer to this particular motor car.

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They of course stopped in amazement.

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They had 35mm reflex cameras fitted with telephoto lenses.

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They filmed and they filmed and they filmed.

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And this object almost wanted to be filmed because it came closer and closer.

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Then it would hover while they took their shots.

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Then it would swing around the other side of the car.

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Do all sorts of manoeuvres for the movie film.

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And three hours.

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I know it sounds strange.

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But three hours has been on for.

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And they said they definitely saw figures.

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Looking through the short holes.

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It was a real Adamski type UFO.

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But they said they had the distinct impression these characters were playing a game with them.

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Because as they'd swooped in low, they'd see this chap lean out and smile at them.

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And a couple of times they waved.

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And they noticed too that as the crafts swooped in low, it kicked up a great deal of dust in a whirling motion.

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Below the craft.

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Almost if the anti-grab unit or drive, whatever drives them was causing the dust to whirl.

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Could have been a jet of course.

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Although they said they heard no sound.

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I'm sure they should have heard the chap laughing inside.

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There you are.

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I'm sure this was authentic because I know one of these chaps.

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I know that they wouldn't make up a story like this.

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But then they made a fatal mistake.

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After the craft had gone, they were so excited as you can imagine.

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That they all, when they got to the first town in South Australia, which is a little one horse town,

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one horse and a half in my bridgney,

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they rang the police.

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Well, perhaps you better put more water with it.

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Called up, you know.

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And they said, oh well, we don't handle this sort of phenomena.

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And they said, but I tell you who does, up there at Wommerer, they know all about it.

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This is probably one of theirs.

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So this policeman rang Wommerer.

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Ranged security at Wommerer.

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A very fatal mistake.

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Wommerer immediately dispatched by phone to the policeman

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to try and hold these characters in this town.

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But as it was, it was too late.

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They'd already left.

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They were determined to get back to one of the nearest processing department,

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have their films processed as soon as possible, I suppose.

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But they'd gone about, I suppose, another hundred miles

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when an army helicopter landed in front of their car.

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Security men got out, confiscated every single camera

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and every single piece of equipment they possessed,

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and told them that if they would dare say one word about the whole affair,

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the official secret, a secret act would be flung at them.

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Because they were near Wommerer.

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They were actually, the security men told them a slight lie.

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They said, you are in fact inside the boundary of the Wommerer rocket range

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before you are under the official secret act.

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It turned out later they weren't, actually.

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Now, about three months after this, after much connivoring on both sides

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and having a few inside contacts,

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they managed to get back one photograph.

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That's all.

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Out of all those hundreds they've taken, they got one photograph back

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which showed a rather blurred, it was one of the very first

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when the object was approaching at high speed

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and of course it was horribly blurred and wasn't very significant.

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As far as I know, all the rest of those photographs

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went into the UFO file that exists in Salisbury.

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This file covers about three big filing cabinets.

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You couldn't jump over.

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While I'm on this thing, Wommerer itself has had UFOs.

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A Kenny Theodolite, which is a high speed camera

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photographing the launching of a certain missile, which I can't name.

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The missile was climbing at full thrust, shall we say in excess of 1,500 miles per hour.

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When a disc shaped object came to the screen out of the sky,

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prescribed three beautiful circles around the wireless missile

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was climbing at 1,500 plus.

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It sort of dipped itself in solute and took off.

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The radar tracked it, the Kenny Theodolite tracked it.

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It was filmed on high speed 35mm film.

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I have seen the film and there's no doubt that a disc shaped,

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you can see a disc shaped object appearing,

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traveling around the object, the missile and heading off.

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But this film has never been released and will never, probably never will be.

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The one that was told about in the papers,

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a great cigar shaped object, sort of one evening conveniently hovered above Wommerer.

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Flashlights at the place and content stood on its end and took off straight up.

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Wommerer authorities announced to the press that the planet Jupiter had been doing gyrations that evening.

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The less said about that the better.

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Yes, I'm tongue-tied, I'm flabber-stounded as someone once said.

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Now, the next thing we come to in this sort of run around the UFOs in Australia is the visit of George Adamski to Australia in 1959.

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Well, George arrived and he really did arrive.

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I'll tell you one amusing incident which happened.

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At this time, Mr Fred Stone, unfortunately, had gone a little bit astray in his UFO research,

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had gone slightly leaning, or more than slightly this time, towards the religious side of matters

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and had actually found a religious society based on the ufology.

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It was very unfortunate.

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So a separate organisation was founded in South Australia which has now become the present organisations we know it.

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And this society, of course, couldn't literally get a look in with George

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because it happened that Mr Fred Stone had invited George over before the breakup occurred.

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So several of us in a group of people, mainly scientific eggheads, not me, although I'm going that way,

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decided to kidnap George.

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We decided we'd have to, we must have a talk with George at any cost.

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So we thought we'd kidnap him.

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We did.

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So we contacted him.

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Unfortunately, Keith Cartwright knew the manager of the hotel where George was staying

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and we smuggled somebody in there.

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That's somebody being me.

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And I managed to get him to see George and he thought it was a great idea

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because he had a wonderful sense of humor, you know.

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Contrary to what other people say about him, he did have a wonderful sense.

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He thought this was a wonderful idea.

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So we decided to kidnap him.

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So we made arrangements.

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7 o'clock one evening we're going to have a fast car, you know, the real works out the side entrance of the hotel.

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We're going to smuggle him out through the servant's entrance and away we'd go.

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When we approached the hotel, actually Fred Stone was present with a couple of his cronies.

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Pissed him George because he never got a moment's peace.

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So we thought, well, there's only one thing to do.

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We've heard stories about George Adamski being telepathic

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and he knew it was about the time we were due to come anyway.

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So we thought we'd concentrate.

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So we stood outside there like a lot of twits in the hall

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and said, come on George, it's time you were kidnapped or the thing mentally.

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We were joking.

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Anyway, the door opened up, came George.

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He said, yes, I realized you were here.

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He said, I told old Fred I was going, I had an urgent call.

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I wanted to go to the bathroom.

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And we said, right, this is it.

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So we took him one either side and down the stairs and off.

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And I think that must have been the longest visit George ever made to the bathroom

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because he never appeared that night again.

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And we had a wonderful evening

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for about seven or eight hours with him

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talking on all sorts of subjects.

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And he really did tell us some things.

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He really opened up.

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And while a lot of the things he said were obviously rubbish,

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I mean a lot of his scientific knowledge was zero, or less than zero,

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he did say certain things then that we thought were nonsense,

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which have later proved to be true.

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He did say, and this is most interesting,

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he said the moon has a soil.

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And he said, well, I don't know,

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I don't know, I don't know,

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I don't know, I don't know, I don't know.

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I don't know, I don't know.

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He said, well, there's a soil.

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There's got soil on it.

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Now, I'm not not happy with taking,

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but I think this Russian probe was announced

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that there is a form of soil on the moon

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when it does its probing,

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and it's in fact full of microorganisms.

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So the moon is definitely alive and not dead.

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Secondly, of course, he said, as he did in Flying Source,

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not Flying Source, but Land,

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the second book,

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Fireflies in Space,

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Colonel Glenn saw fireflies in space.

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Several things like this, which are strange,

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but one thing he did tell us,

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and this is very significant,

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he told us that he'd received notification

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from his cosmic buddy buddies

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that there were a group of rather negative types

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of space visitors,

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and they were coming from an area around a rye,

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around the Orion Nebula as we understood,

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and I thought, God, God, show to George,

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show to Williamson.

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He said that they would be arriving

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in about a year,

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and to watch out for all sorts of

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monster stories,

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strange kidnappings,

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and all sorts of funny things happening.

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He said he stressed that these

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were not his friends at all.

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Well, that beard, that beard,

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he sort of accepted that and said,

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well, fair enough, we'll wait and see,

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but it's most significant that about a year later,

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in 1960, in Sydney,

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I don't know whether Mr. Thomas knows about this case,

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I don't think he would.

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Now, we have, by the way, with us this evening,

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Mr. Andrew Thomas,

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who's the ex-editor of the Flying Saucer Review,

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Australian Flying Saucer Review,

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a most excellent publication,

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and he will be saying a few words,

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we hope after the coffee break.

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This concern of Milkman, in 1960,

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in Sydney,

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I can never remember the,

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do you remember the name of the beach, then?

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Crenulla, yes, Crenulla Beach.

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He was delivering milk one morning,

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quite early,

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and suddenly he said he saw a pulsing light

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coming from behind the sand hill.

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He went round to investigate,

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and there was a disc-shaped object

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sitting on the ground.

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I mean, there was a chap

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digging in the sand nearby,

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I was taking samples or something,

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a chap got up,

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went over to the Milkman,

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and greeted him in perfect English,

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but with a slight trace of an accent,

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said,

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we've been expecting you

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to come here.

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We've got something to tell you.

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Said,

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we are part of a scientific expedition

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visiting the planet Earth at this time

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from a region of space

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you know as the Eta Carina region,

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which is towards the Galactic Centre.

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Now this Milkman,

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as his northerly chap that had noticed,

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wrote him no scientific knowledge,

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and especially none of us from the

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astronomy, he just repeated this verbatim,

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what he'd been told.

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They said that

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they had taken them

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about three years of flight

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to reach the Earth.

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They had some form of hyperdrive

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that could go faster than light.

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And they said

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that they had to come through

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because the space lanes,

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now I'm using ordinary language,

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which everybody understands,

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they used a similar language

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that he would understand when he told,

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well, other people understand when he told the story.

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Said,

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they used space lanes that aren't straight.

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They said,

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contrary to what you might think,

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when you want to go from one point in the galaxy

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to another point in the galaxy,

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you don't go by a straight line.

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In fact, you go by a curved line

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because space is curved.

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And that these special lanes

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have to be adhered to.

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Otherwise, you get in some sort

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of a place which causes trouble

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and you can get lost very easily.

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They said,

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we had to come through an area

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00:39:35,000 --> 00:39:36,000
near the nebulae you know

440
00:39:37,000 --> 00:39:38,000
as M42 Orionis,

441
00:39:39,000 --> 00:39:40,000
which is the Great Nebulae in Orion.

442
00:39:42,000 --> 00:39:43,000
They said,

443
00:39:44,000 --> 00:39:45,000
it is very dangerous coming through this area

444
00:39:46,000 --> 00:39:47,000
because there are a system of planets

445
00:39:48,000 --> 00:39:50,000
that have rather bad people on them.

446
00:39:53,000 --> 00:39:54,000
People that have advanced

447
00:39:54,000 --> 00:39:55,000
terrifically scientifically,

448
00:39:56,000 --> 00:39:57,000
the extent of being completely,

449
00:39:59,000 --> 00:40:00,000
were almost ruled by computers.

450
00:40:01,000 --> 00:40:02,000
They have, their worlds are computerised

451
00:40:03,000 --> 00:40:04,000
to the end of the Greek.

452
00:40:05,000 --> 00:40:06,000
But they have no sort of spiritual awareness

453
00:40:08,000 --> 00:40:09,000
and their whole purpose and plan

454
00:40:10,000 --> 00:40:11,000
is to further their empire and their aims

455
00:40:12,000 --> 00:40:13,000
because they're becoming overcrowded.

456
00:40:15,000 --> 00:40:16,000
Shades of our own planet.

457
00:40:18,000 --> 00:40:19,000
We're becoming overcrowded.

458
00:40:20,000 --> 00:40:21,000
Everything is becoming computerised.

459
00:40:22,000 --> 00:40:23,000
Spiritual being is being overcrowded.

460
00:40:24,000 --> 00:40:25,000
And the values are being lost.

461
00:40:26,000 --> 00:40:27,000
Very interesting parallel.

462
00:40:28,000 --> 00:40:29,000
And he said,

463
00:40:30,000 --> 00:40:31,000
they are on the lookout for new planets.

464
00:40:32,000 --> 00:40:33,000
And the planet Earth

465
00:40:34,000 --> 00:40:35,000
at this time is very similar

466
00:40:36,000 --> 00:40:37,000
to their own system

467
00:40:38,000 --> 00:40:39,000
and they have designs on it.

468
00:40:41,000 --> 00:40:42,000
He said,

469
00:40:43,000 --> 00:40:44,000
we have to return within a few weeks

470
00:40:45,000 --> 00:40:46,000
to our own home planet and report.

471
00:40:48,000 --> 00:40:49,000
We are also working in close conjunction

472
00:40:51,000 --> 00:40:52,000
with other space entities

473
00:40:52,000 --> 00:40:53,000
which have been visiting your planet

474
00:40:54,000 --> 00:40:55,000
from nearby star systems to your own,

475
00:40:56,000 --> 00:40:57,000
including your own system.

476
00:41:00,000 --> 00:41:01,000
We said, when we have to return

477
00:41:02,000 --> 00:41:03,000
the same way as we came

478
00:41:04,000 --> 00:41:05,000
and there is a chance that we may not return.

479
00:41:06,000 --> 00:41:07,000
We may get literally shot down

480
00:41:08,000 --> 00:41:09,000
by these characters

481
00:41:10,000 --> 00:41:11,000
if they find out we're travelling through their space lanes.

482
00:41:13,000 --> 00:41:14,000
So we will return in about,

483
00:41:15,000 --> 00:41:16,000
naturally about six years.

484
00:41:17,000 --> 00:41:18,000
Now that was 1960.

485
00:41:20,000 --> 00:41:21,000
They should have been back

486
00:41:22,000 --> 00:41:23,000
earlier if they had followed their pattern.

487
00:41:24,000 --> 00:41:25,000
He said, we will contact you when we return.

488
00:41:27,000 --> 00:41:28,000
Now I'm waiting on some information

489
00:41:29,000 --> 00:41:30,000
from Sydney

490
00:41:31,000 --> 00:41:32,000
as to whether this chap

491
00:41:33,000 --> 00:41:34,000
has been contacted again.

492
00:41:35,000 --> 00:41:36,000
It would be most interesting to find out this information.

493
00:41:38,000 --> 00:41:40,000
Now this sounds like a science fiction story.

494
00:41:41,000 --> 00:41:42,000
I know

495
00:41:43,000 --> 00:41:44,000
you can't prove it.

496
00:41:45,000 --> 00:41:46,000
The chap has no proof.

497
00:41:47,000 --> 00:41:48,000
But he is an ordinary milkman.

498
00:41:49,000 --> 00:41:50,000
I did visit his home

499
00:41:52,000 --> 00:41:53,000
very carefully

500
00:41:54,000 --> 00:41:55,000
as all investigators should do

501
00:41:56,000 --> 00:41:57,000
when they visit homes

502
00:41:58,000 --> 00:41:59,000
of people who claim UFO sightings and landings.

503
00:42:00,000 --> 00:42:01,000
One should look at their bookcase.

504
00:42:04,000 --> 00:42:05,000
He had no,

505
00:42:06,000 --> 00:42:07,000
well he didn't even have a bookcase.

506
00:42:08,000 --> 00:42:09,000
No books.

507
00:42:10,000 --> 00:42:11,000
He just used to read the Sunday papers

508
00:42:12,000 --> 00:42:13,000
and the Sunday supplement, things like this.

509
00:42:15,000 --> 00:42:16,000
I mentioned George Adamusky

510
00:42:17,000 --> 00:42:18,000
and he said,

511
00:42:19,000 --> 00:42:20,000
he'd heard of him from the papers

512
00:42:20,000 --> 00:42:21,000
but wasn't sure what it was all about.

513
00:42:22,000 --> 00:42:23,000
And prior to the

514
00:42:24,000 --> 00:42:25,000
visit with his

515
00:42:26,000 --> 00:42:27,000
contact in the Sandhills

516
00:42:28,000 --> 00:42:29,000
he said that he hadn't even given

517
00:42:30,000 --> 00:42:31,000
flying saucers a thought.

518
00:42:32,000 --> 00:42:33,000
He thought they were all rubbish.

519
00:42:34,000 --> 00:42:35,000
He still wasn't sure whether they weren't all rubbish.

520
00:42:36,000 --> 00:42:37,000
You see, I might have been hoaxed.

521
00:42:39,000 --> 00:42:40,000
I think to this day he still doesn't know.

522
00:42:45,000 --> 00:42:46,000
Now from that story,

523
00:42:47,000 --> 00:42:48,000
I was just told to

524
00:42:48,000 --> 00:42:49,000
as an interest

525
00:42:50,000 --> 00:42:51,000
to follow up to George Adamusky's

526
00:42:52,000 --> 00:42:53,000
telling us

527
00:42:54,000 --> 00:42:55,000
that in about a year's time

528
00:42:56,000 --> 00:42:57,000
there would be some rather negative types around.

529
00:42:58,000 --> 00:42:59,000
Now while that milkman's landing

530
00:43:00,000 --> 00:43:01,000
wasn't a negative one

531
00:43:02,000 --> 00:43:03,000
or apparently wasn't

532
00:43:04,000 --> 00:43:06,000
they did report or give the same report to him

533
00:43:07,000 --> 00:43:08,000
as George gave to us.

534
00:43:13,000 --> 00:43:14,000
After this

535
00:43:15,000 --> 00:43:16,000
there was a slight gap

536
00:43:19,000 --> 00:43:20,000
not really much happened

537
00:43:21,000 --> 00:43:22,000
but we have several cases

538
00:43:23,000 --> 00:43:24,000
interesting cases

539
00:43:26,000 --> 00:43:27,000
including the Father Gill

540
00:43:29,000 --> 00:43:31,000
which I think is one of the most famous

541
00:43:32,000 --> 00:43:33,000
that Austerlage has ever had.

542
00:43:36,000 --> 00:43:37,000
I don't know where you can see this.

543
00:43:41,000 --> 00:43:42,000
That is an actual drawing

544
00:43:43,000 --> 00:43:45,000
of the craft that Father Gill saw

545
00:43:45,000 --> 00:43:46,000
the four landing legs.

546
00:43:50,000 --> 00:43:51,000
And I have here

547
00:43:52,000 --> 00:43:53,000
an actual

548
00:43:54,000 --> 00:43:55,000
verbatim report

549
00:43:56,000 --> 00:43:57,000
from Father Gill.

550
00:43:59,000 --> 00:44:00,000
No quote.

551
00:44:02,000 --> 00:44:04,000
Personally Father Gill was still skeptical

552
00:44:05,000 --> 00:44:06,000
and his letter to the Reverend Dury he wrote,

553
00:44:07,000 --> 00:44:08,000
my simple mind still requires

554
00:44:09,000 --> 00:44:10,000
scientific evidence before I can accept

555
00:44:11,000 --> 00:44:12,000
the From Outer Space Theory.

556
00:44:13,000 --> 00:44:14,000
This was before his sighting.

557
00:44:15,000 --> 00:44:17,000
He had been told by this Reverend Dury

558
00:44:18,000 --> 00:44:19,000
Reverend Dury had asked him about

559
00:44:20,000 --> 00:44:21,000
whether it was possible

560
00:44:22,000 --> 00:44:23,000
there was spacecraft in our skies.

561
00:44:24,000 --> 00:44:25,000
I am inclined to think that many

562
00:44:26,000 --> 00:44:27,000
unidentified flying objects

563
00:44:28,000 --> 00:44:29,000
are more likely to be some kind of electric phenomena.

564
00:44:30,000 --> 00:44:31,000
I prefer to wait for some bright boy

565
00:44:32,000 --> 00:44:33,000
to catch one and exhibit it in Martyn Place

566
00:44:34,000 --> 00:44:35,000
that's in the sitting.

567
00:44:36,000 --> 00:44:37,000
Very shortly however

568
00:44:38,000 --> 00:44:39,000
Father Gill was to change his tune.

569
00:44:40,000 --> 00:44:41,000
On Friday June 26

570
00:44:42,000 --> 00:44:43,000
he walked out to his dinner table

571
00:44:44,000 --> 00:44:45,000
and walked out through the front door

572
00:44:46,000 --> 00:44:47,000
of the mission house

573
00:44:48,000 --> 00:44:49,000
to a small patch of lawn

574
00:44:50,000 --> 00:44:51,000
fringed by a few trees.

575
00:44:52,000 --> 00:44:53,000
50 feet below was the shingled beach.

576
00:44:54,000 --> 00:44:55,000
This was in New Guinea.

577
00:44:56,000 --> 00:44:57,000
Remember Keith Cartwright

578
00:44:58,000 --> 00:44:59,000
and his mental image of the craft in New Guinea.

579
00:45:00,000 --> 00:45:01,000
Glancing up at the sky

580
00:45:02,000 --> 00:45:03,000
in search of the planet Venus

581
00:45:04,000 --> 00:45:05,000
a bright light caught his attention.

582
00:45:06,000 --> 00:45:07,000
Later he wrote

583
00:45:08,000 --> 00:45:09,000
I saw Venus but I also saw this

584
00:45:10,000 --> 00:45:11,000
sparkling object which to me was peculiar

585
00:45:12,000 --> 00:45:13,000
and very very bright.

586
00:45:14,000 --> 00:45:15,000
It was above Venus

587
00:45:16,000 --> 00:45:17,000
and so that caused me to watch it for a while.

588
00:45:18,000 --> 00:45:19,000
Then I saw it descend towards us.

589
00:45:21,000 --> 00:45:22,000
Shades of Wommer at telling people

590
00:45:23,000 --> 00:45:24,000
about planet Jupiter and Venus moving around.

591
00:45:25,000 --> 00:45:26,000
Two of the mission teachers

592
00:45:27,000 --> 00:45:28,000
had joined Father Gill.

593
00:45:29,000 --> 00:45:30,000
He had a notebook and a pencil in his pocket

594
00:45:31,000 --> 00:45:32,000
and begun to make hurried notes.

595
00:45:33,000 --> 00:45:34,000
The three men watched the light

596
00:45:35,000 --> 00:45:36,000
and appeared like a tilly lamp.

597
00:45:37,000 --> 00:45:38,000
I don't know what a tilly lamp is

598
00:45:39,000 --> 00:45:40,000
a camping lamp

599
00:45:40,000 --> 00:45:41,000
but kept varying in brightness

600
00:45:42,000 --> 00:45:43,000
as though it were approaching and receding.

601
00:45:44,000 --> 00:45:45,000
Then the object came closer

602
00:45:46,000 --> 00:45:47,000
and seemed to hover at about 300 feet.

603
00:45:49,000 --> 00:45:50,000
It was circular

604
00:45:51,000 --> 00:45:52,000
ran Father Gill's description.

605
00:45:53,000 --> 00:45:54,000
It had a wide base

606
00:45:55,000 --> 00:45:56,000
and narrower upper deck.

607
00:45:57,000 --> 00:45:58,000
Beneath it there well would appear

608
00:45:59,000 --> 00:46:00,000
to be a set of legs.

609
00:46:01,000 --> 00:46:02,000
At times it produced a shaft of blue light

610
00:46:03,000 --> 00:46:04,000
that shone up into the sky

611
00:46:05,000 --> 00:46:06,000
at an angle of about 45 degrees.

612
00:46:08,000 --> 00:46:09,000
Then came the strangest sight of all

613
00:46:10,000 --> 00:46:11,000
just before seven o'clock.

614
00:46:12,000 --> 00:46:13,000
Father Gill saw a man like figure

615
00:46:14,000 --> 00:46:15,000
moving about the top of the object.

616
00:46:16,000 --> 00:46:17,000
Then this figure was joined by three others.

617
00:46:19,000 --> 00:46:20,000
Father Gill subsequently wrote

618
00:46:22,000 --> 00:46:23,000
as we watched it

619
00:46:24,000 --> 00:46:25,000
men came out from this object

620
00:46:26,000 --> 00:46:27,000
and appeared on what seemed to be a deck

621
00:46:28,000 --> 00:46:29,000
on top of the huge disk.

622
00:46:30,000 --> 00:46:31,000
There were four men in awe

623
00:46:32,000 --> 00:46:33,000
but only occasionally were all in view at once.

624
00:46:35,000 --> 00:46:36,000
The object remained in view until 7.20 p.m.

625
00:46:36,000 --> 00:46:37,000
Then the men disappeared inside

626
00:46:38,000 --> 00:46:39,000
and it moved off and was lost behind a cloud.

627
00:46:41,000 --> 00:46:42,000
Father Gill and his companions continued to watch

628
00:46:44,000 --> 00:46:45,000
and at 8.29

629
00:46:46,000 --> 00:46:47,000
another UFO much smaller was seen over the area.

630
00:46:48,000 --> 00:46:49,000
At 8.35 another was sighted

631
00:46:50,000 --> 00:46:51,000
over Wondabuna Village

632
00:46:52,000 --> 00:46:53,000
and a third father to the east.

633
00:46:55,000 --> 00:46:56,000
At 8.50 they saw a bigger craft

634
00:46:57,000 --> 00:46:58,000
it was stationary over the sea

635
00:46:59,000 --> 00:47:00,000
and they thought it could have been

636
00:47:01,000 --> 00:47:02,000
the original.

637
00:47:03,000 --> 00:47:04,000
But it was a very small

638
00:47:04,000 --> 00:47:05,000
and they thought it could have been

639
00:47:06,000 --> 00:47:07,000
the original one on which they had sighted the men.

640
00:47:09,000 --> 00:47:10,000
The other UFOs kept coming

641
00:47:11,000 --> 00:47:12,000
and going through the clouds.

642
00:47:13,000 --> 00:47:14,000
As they descended light was reflected

643
00:47:15,000 --> 00:47:16,000
from them like a huge large halo

644
00:47:17,000 --> 00:47:18,000
onto cloud and all of them were seen very clearly.

645
00:47:20,000 --> 00:47:21,000
By 9 o'clock all the smaller craft

646
00:47:22,000 --> 00:47:23,000
had disappeared from sight

647
00:47:24,000 --> 00:47:25,000
and 10 minutes later father Gill noted

648
00:47:26,000 --> 00:47:27,000
in his diary mother ship gone too

649
00:47:28,000 --> 00:47:29,000
giving red light.

650
00:47:32,000 --> 00:47:33,000
Next day father Gill questioned

651
00:47:34,000 --> 00:47:35,000
the mission staff and finally located

652
00:47:36,000 --> 00:47:37,000
38 other persons beside himself

653
00:47:38,000 --> 00:47:39,000
who were ready to sign a document

654
00:47:40,000 --> 00:47:41,000
testifying that they had seen

655
00:47:42,000 --> 00:47:43,000
what we assumed to be human activities

656
00:47:44,000 --> 00:47:45,000
or being of some other sort

657
00:47:46,000 --> 00:47:47,000
or some sort on the object of self.

658
00:47:49,000 --> 00:47:50,000
I think that's one of the most

659
00:47:51,000 --> 00:47:52,000
startling cases ever to come out of Australasia.

660
00:47:54,000 --> 00:47:55,000
Father Gill of course

661
00:47:57,000 --> 00:47:58,000
definitely has no reason

662
00:47:59,000 --> 00:48:00,000
to make up a story like that.

663
00:48:01,000 --> 00:48:02,000
Of course being an Anglican priest

664
00:48:02,000 --> 00:48:03,000
and a missionary as well

665
00:48:05,000 --> 00:48:06,000
the objects were seen for quite some time

666
00:48:08,000 --> 00:48:09,000
after this over the area in the beginning

667
00:48:10,000 --> 00:48:11,000
and definitely seemed interested

668
00:48:12,000 --> 00:48:13,000
in the place.

669
00:48:16,000 --> 00:48:17,000
We have many many landings

670
00:48:18,000 --> 00:48:19,000
that sort of started a spate from then on

671
00:48:20,000 --> 00:48:21,000
after a short period of apparently nothing

672
00:48:22,000 --> 00:48:23,000
lots of landings took place in Australia.

673
00:48:24,000 --> 00:48:25,000
We have very good landing

674
00:48:28,000 --> 00:48:29,000
report by Mr Dennis Crowe

675
00:48:29,000 --> 00:48:31,000
this was in Van or Clues of our Clues Beach Sydney

676
00:48:33,000 --> 00:48:34,000
at 5.30pm on July the 19th 1965

677
00:48:37,000 --> 00:48:38,000
this is a more recent one

678
00:48:39,000 --> 00:48:40,000
there is a sketch

679
00:48:41,000 --> 00:48:42,000
you can see it's a bit small

680
00:48:43,000 --> 00:48:44,000
there is a sketch he drew of the craft

681
00:48:45,000 --> 00:48:46,000
and he is an engineer

682
00:48:47,000 --> 00:48:48,000
many many reliable people

683
00:48:49,000 --> 00:48:50,000
started to see the craft

684
00:48:51,000 --> 00:48:52,000
seeing these craft coming down

685
00:48:53,000 --> 00:48:54,000
and taking off

686
00:48:55,000 --> 00:48:56,000
and we plotted

687
00:48:57,000 --> 00:48:58,000
on a map

688
00:49:00,000 --> 00:49:01,000
it was plotted on a map actually

689
00:49:02,000 --> 00:49:03,000
of landings

690
00:49:05,000 --> 00:49:06,000
and here was

691
00:49:07,000 --> 00:49:08,000
the landing scene

692
00:49:09,000 --> 00:49:10,000
or the Australian scene

693
00:49:11,000 --> 00:49:12,000
1963-64

694
00:49:14,000 --> 00:49:15,000
I don't know where do you can see from back there

695
00:49:17,000 --> 00:49:18,000
but here is Australia

696
00:49:19,000 --> 00:49:20,000
these dots here represent

697
00:49:21,000 --> 00:49:22,000
the concentration of landings

698
00:49:23,000 --> 00:49:24,000
now I notice something very interesting

699
00:49:25,000 --> 00:49:26,000
here is where I come from

700
00:49:27,000 --> 00:49:28,000
South Australia look at the concentration

701
00:49:29,000 --> 00:49:31,000
look Sydney

702
00:49:32,000 --> 00:49:33,000
Melbourne

703
00:49:34,000 --> 00:49:35,000
you see wherever there is a lot of people

704
00:49:36,000 --> 00:49:37,000
that you are concentrated

705
00:49:38,000 --> 00:49:39,000
you get sightings

706
00:49:40,000 --> 00:49:41,000
no sightings up here

707
00:49:42,000 --> 00:49:43,000
no people

708
00:49:44,000 --> 00:49:45,000
a few over here

709
00:49:47,000 --> 00:49:48,000
now

710
00:49:49,000 --> 00:49:50,000
plotting these main reports

711
00:49:51,000 --> 00:49:52,000
we came to the conclusion

712
00:49:53,000 --> 00:49:54,000
that they were in fact investigating

713
00:49:55,000 --> 00:49:56,000
fault lines

714
00:49:57,000 --> 00:49:58,000
and areas of magnetic disturbance

715
00:49:59,000 --> 00:50:02,000
note a terrific amount of sightings up here

716
00:50:04,000 --> 00:50:05,000
warm raw rocket range

717
00:50:09,000 --> 00:50:11,000
the sight of the atomic bomb explosions

718
00:50:12,000 --> 00:50:13,000
at Merlinga

719
00:50:15,000 --> 00:50:16,000
and so on and so on

720
00:50:19,000 --> 00:50:20,000
and the latest

721
00:50:21,000 --> 00:50:22,000
if I can find it

722
00:50:23,000 --> 00:50:24,000
I think it is in this one

723
00:50:26,000 --> 00:50:27,000
here

724
00:50:27,000 --> 00:50:28,000
here we have the Australian scene

725
00:50:29,000 --> 00:50:30,000
1965

726
00:50:32,000 --> 00:50:33,000
1966

727
00:50:36,000 --> 00:50:38,000
again large concentrations of the capital cities

728
00:50:40,000 --> 00:50:41,000
Brisbane

729
00:50:42,000 --> 00:50:43,000
Sydney

730
00:50:44,000 --> 00:50:45,000
Melbourne, Adelaide and now Perth

731
00:50:48,000 --> 00:50:49,000
up here in North Queensland

732
00:50:50,000 --> 00:50:51,000
Cairns and Tully area

733
00:50:53,000 --> 00:50:54,000
I would like to just

734
00:50:55,000 --> 00:50:56,000
very briefly

735
00:50:57,000 --> 00:50:58,000
to tell you about the most important

736
00:50:59,000 --> 00:51:00,000
this is the famous case

737
00:51:01,000 --> 00:51:03,000
of the so-called flying saucer nests

738
00:51:05,000 --> 00:51:07,000
which appeared in the local press here

739
00:51:08,000 --> 00:51:09,000
but this story is much more

740
00:51:10,000 --> 00:51:11,000
sort of

741
00:51:12,000 --> 00:51:13,000
interesting as it has got a lot more detail in it

742
00:51:15,000 --> 00:51:16,000
took place in Tully

743
00:51:17,000 --> 00:51:18,000
in 1966

744
00:51:21,000 --> 00:51:22,000
last few months of 1965

745
00:51:24,000 --> 00:51:25,000
and there were these great

746
00:51:25,000 --> 00:51:26,000
these

747
00:51:27,000 --> 00:51:28,000
this George chat called George A. Pedley

748
00:51:31,000 --> 00:51:32,000
reported seeing

749
00:51:33,000 --> 00:51:34,000
an object

750
00:51:35,000 --> 00:51:36,000
in the Flat Mashi country

751
00:51:37,000 --> 00:51:38,000
it came down the Flat Mashi country

752
00:51:39,000 --> 00:51:40,000
around Tully

753
00:51:41,000 --> 00:51:42,000
it is a tropical area

754
00:51:44,000 --> 00:51:45,000
and when he went to investigate afterwards

755
00:51:46,000 --> 00:51:47,000
he found this area where

756
00:51:49,000 --> 00:51:50,000
a 30 foot circle

757
00:51:51,000 --> 00:51:52,000
of reefs

758
00:51:53,000 --> 00:51:54,000
and this was a marsh covered water

759
00:51:55,000 --> 00:51:56,000
in a very marsh

760
00:51:57,000 --> 00:51:58,000
and he discovered

761
00:51:59,000 --> 00:52:00,000
with witnesses

762
00:52:01,000 --> 00:52:02,000
that the actual reefs had been literally

763
00:52:03,000 --> 00:52:04,000
plopped off the bottom

764
00:52:05,000 --> 00:52:06,000
of the bottom of the pond

765
00:52:07,000 --> 00:52:08,000
and flung in a perfect circle

766
00:52:13,000 --> 00:52:14,000
they tried all sorts of experiments up there people

767
00:52:15,000 --> 00:52:16,000
and they couldn't duplicate this effect

768
00:52:17,000 --> 00:52:18,000
how could these

769
00:52:19,000 --> 00:52:20,000
there is almost some great suction force

770
00:52:21,000 --> 00:52:22,000
had sucked the reefs up

771
00:52:23,000 --> 00:52:24,000
and then they had been spun

772
00:52:25,000 --> 00:52:26,000
into a coarse field

773
00:52:29,000 --> 00:52:30,000
I'll just read you a bit here

774
00:52:31,000 --> 00:52:32,000
the nest was a perfectly circular clearing

775
00:52:33,000 --> 00:52:34,000
of 30 foot diameter

776
00:52:35,000 --> 00:52:36,000
it consisted of a 9 inch layer of reefs

777
00:52:37,000 --> 00:52:38,000
torn out by the roots

778
00:52:39,000 --> 00:52:40,000
from the muddy bed of the lagoon

779
00:52:41,000 --> 00:52:42,000
it was floating on the top of 5 feet of water

780
00:52:43,000 --> 00:52:44,000
and all the reefs were swirled in a clockwise direction

781
00:52:46,000 --> 00:52:47,000
the flattened area was surrounded

782
00:52:48,000 --> 00:52:49,000
by healthy

783
00:52:50,000 --> 00:52:51,000
upright green reefs 2.5 feet tall

784
00:52:52,000 --> 00:52:53,000
the underwater examination showed

785
00:52:53,000 --> 00:52:54,000
that the lagoon floor

786
00:52:55,000 --> 00:52:56,000
was perfectly smooth

787
00:52:57,000 --> 00:52:58,000
with all roots cleanly removed

788
00:52:59,000 --> 00:53:01,000
as though pulled out by some great sucking force

789
00:53:03,000 --> 00:53:04,000
and they found later

790
00:53:05,000 --> 00:53:06,000
lots of others

791
00:53:07,000 --> 00:53:08,000
around the same area

792
00:53:10,000 --> 00:53:11,000
substantiated by

793
00:53:13,000 --> 00:53:15,000
reports of people seeing objects taking off

794
00:53:18,000 --> 00:53:19,000
scientists invest

795
00:53:20,000 --> 00:53:21,000
sort of descend on the place in great detail

796
00:53:21,000 --> 00:53:23,000
and of course came up with all sorts of

797
00:53:24,000 --> 00:53:25,000
usual conflicting theories

798
00:53:26,000 --> 00:53:27,000
which I won't bore you with at the moment

799
00:53:31,000 --> 00:53:33,000
now the final two cases I'm going to deal with

800
00:53:34,000 --> 00:53:36,000
I've already spoken about here before

801
00:53:37,000 --> 00:53:39,000
we have two interesting cases

802
00:53:40,000 --> 00:53:41,000
one of which I've spoken about

803
00:53:42,000 --> 00:53:43,000
or two of which I've spoken about before

804
00:53:44,000 --> 00:53:45,000
and this was the famous Clinton landing

805
00:53:46,000 --> 00:53:47,000
of two small boys

806
00:53:48,000 --> 00:53:49,000
who saw the

807
00:53:49,000 --> 00:53:51,000
object come down in Adelaide

808
00:53:53,000 --> 00:53:55,000
and I'll just very briefly read you

809
00:53:56,000 --> 00:53:57,000
this is a very short report

810
00:53:58,000 --> 00:53:59,000
in the flying saucer

811
00:54:00,000 --> 00:54:01,000
Australian flying saucer review

812
00:54:02,000 --> 00:54:04,000
called landing of a spaceship or fantasy

813
00:54:07,000 --> 00:54:08,000
a fantastic report comes from

814
00:54:09,000 --> 00:54:10,000
two South Australian boys

815
00:54:11,000 --> 00:54:12,000
David and Ken

816
00:54:13,000 --> 00:54:14,000
whose full names and addresses are known to the editor

817
00:54:15,000 --> 00:54:16,000
shortly after 2 o'clock in the afternoon

818
00:54:17,000 --> 00:54:18,000
on Saturday February 29

819
00:54:19,000 --> 00:54:20,000
in the morning of July 26

820
00:54:21,000 --> 00:54:22,000
David, walking through the front gate of his house

821
00:54:23,000 --> 00:54:24,000
heard a buzzing noise

822
00:54:25,000 --> 00:54:26,000
which emanated from the paddock across the street

823
00:54:29,000 --> 00:54:30,000
he went there and saw a metallic craft

824
00:54:31,000 --> 00:54:32,000
with glass domes

825
00:54:33,000 --> 00:54:34,000
and mounted by a light

826
00:54:35,000 --> 00:54:36,000
sitting on the ground

827
00:54:37,000 --> 00:54:38,000
as David watched in amazement

828
00:54:39,000 --> 00:54:40,000
recalling flying saucers he'd seen on television

829
00:54:42,000 --> 00:54:43,000
a sliding door went straight up

830
00:54:44,000 --> 00:54:45,000
and a very tall figure appeared in the opening

831
00:54:46,000 --> 00:54:47,000
a man wore tight black suit

832
00:54:47,000 --> 00:54:48,000
a blue cloak

833
00:54:49,000 --> 00:54:50,000
black gloves and some letters

834
00:54:51,000 --> 00:54:52,000
silver chains on his wrists

835
00:54:53,000 --> 00:54:54,000
a pointed hat or helmet flat at the bottom

836
00:54:55,000 --> 00:54:56,000
shiny black boots which appeared to be made of metal

837
00:54:57,000 --> 00:54:58,000
black thick beck built with a buckled

838
00:54:59,000 --> 00:55:00,000
the face of the pilot was coppery red

839
00:55:01,000 --> 00:55:02,000
and the nose large

840
00:55:09,000 --> 00:55:10,000
inside the craft was another man

841
00:55:11,000 --> 00:55:12,000
in a sitting position looking through the glass stone

842
00:55:13,000 --> 00:55:14,000
he seemed to be dressed in the same uniform

843
00:55:15,000 --> 00:55:16,000
as the figure at the inside

844
00:55:17,000 --> 00:55:18,000
and the door way

845
00:55:19,000 --> 00:55:20,000
the pilot stepped out of the ship

846
00:55:21,000 --> 00:55:22,000
and began to look around

847
00:55:23,000 --> 00:55:24,000
without revealing his presence

848
00:55:25,000 --> 00:55:26,000
David raced up to the home of his friend Ken

849
00:55:27,000 --> 00:55:28,000
in a minute or two both boys were on the site

850
00:55:29,000 --> 00:55:30,000
when the strange addressed man from the craft

851
00:55:31,000 --> 00:55:32,000
saw the children he ran back into it

852
00:55:33,000 --> 00:55:34,000
as if it alarmed

853
00:55:35,000 --> 00:55:36,000
the trapped door closed

854
00:55:37,000 --> 00:55:38,000
the craft took off gently

855
00:55:39,000 --> 00:55:40,000
gradually ascending straight up into the sky at high speed

856
00:55:41,000 --> 00:55:42,000
a dog nearby barked desperately during the incident

857
00:55:43,000 --> 00:55:44,000
the two boys pointed out later

858
00:55:45,000 --> 00:55:46,000
that the soft buzzing noise

859
00:55:47,000 --> 00:55:48,000
was heard from the staff

860
00:55:49,000 --> 00:55:50,000
they went home and told David's mother

861
00:55:51,000 --> 00:55:52,000
about the experience with the lady

862
00:55:53,000 --> 00:55:54,000
quite unimpressed told the boys to keep quiet

863
00:55:55,000 --> 00:55:56,000
and not scare the younger child in the room

864
00:55:58,000 --> 00:55:59,000
it must not be overlooked

865
00:56:00,000 --> 00:56:01,000
the boys are small

866
00:56:02,000 --> 00:56:03,000
six to eight years

867
00:56:04,000 --> 00:56:05,000
although reminiscent of science fiction

868
00:56:06,000 --> 00:56:07,000
David's story is quite coherent

869
00:56:08,000 --> 00:56:09,000
though shaken by the encounter

870
00:56:10,000 --> 00:56:11,000
with the strange craft in its pilot

871
00:56:12,000 --> 00:56:13,000
the two small boys were sufficiently observant

872
00:56:14,000 --> 00:56:15,000
and intelligent to remember its shape

873
00:56:15,000 --> 00:56:16,000
and its meaning

874
00:56:17,000 --> 00:56:18,000
the report is very journalistic

875
00:56:19,000 --> 00:56:20,000
and not quite accurate

876
00:56:21,000 --> 00:56:22,000
I'm happy to say

877
00:56:24,000 --> 00:56:25,000
myself and another chap

878
00:56:26,000 --> 00:56:27,000
he wouldn't investigate this story

879
00:56:28,000 --> 00:56:29,000
immediately it happened

880
00:56:30,000 --> 00:56:31,000
within a day actually

881
00:56:32,000 --> 00:56:33,000
on the Sunday

882
00:56:34,000 --> 00:56:35,000
this took place on a Saturday

883
00:56:36,000 --> 00:56:37,000
and basically that's correct

884
00:56:38,000 --> 00:56:39,000
except the boys didn't tell

885
00:56:40,000 --> 00:56:41,000
obviously the reporter of this report

886
00:56:43,000 --> 00:56:44,000
that the chap was playing

887
00:56:45,000 --> 00:56:46,000
was actually some stunts

888
00:56:47,000 --> 00:56:48,000
on his belt all the time

889
00:56:49,000 --> 00:56:50,000
he was walking forward

890
00:56:51,000 --> 00:56:52,000
and also that he had a tube

891
00:56:53,000 --> 00:56:54,000
that ran out of one glove

892
00:56:55,000 --> 00:56:56,000
and up under one nostril

893
00:56:58,000 --> 00:56:59,000
and that he was about seven

894
00:57:00,000 --> 00:57:01,000
we later estimate him to be about seven foot tall

895
00:57:03,000 --> 00:57:05,000
and he was making his way

896
00:57:06,000 --> 00:57:07,000
towards a small creek

897
00:57:09,000 --> 00:57:10,000
which runs by this paddock

898
00:57:11,000 --> 00:57:12,000
and we later discovered

899
00:57:13,000 --> 00:57:14,000
on the map at the end of those two

900
00:57:15,000 --> 00:57:16,000
there follows a fort line

901
00:57:19,000 --> 00:57:20,000
now what wasn't mentioned here

902
00:57:21,000 --> 00:57:22,000
was the fact that a chap

903
00:57:23,000 --> 00:57:24,000
had been digging his garden

904
00:57:25,000 --> 00:57:26,000
there's some houses that face on this field

905
00:57:27,000 --> 00:57:29,000
and this chap had been digging his garden

906
00:57:30,000 --> 00:57:32,000
he said about ten minutes before

907
00:57:33,000 --> 00:57:34,000
this alleged landing took place

908
00:57:35,000 --> 00:57:36,000
he had an uncontrollable urge

909
00:57:37,000 --> 00:57:38,000
to go and make a cup of tea

910
00:57:39,000 --> 00:57:40,000
in the back room

911
00:57:40,000 --> 00:57:41,000
he did this

912
00:57:42,000 --> 00:57:43,000
and he said after he had dropped his team

913
00:57:44,000 --> 00:57:45,000
came out of course the whole thing was over

914
00:57:48,000 --> 00:57:49,000
and I thought that's very convenient

915
00:57:51,000 --> 00:57:52,000
and quite frankly at the time

916
00:57:53,000 --> 00:57:54,000
we were very skeptical about this

917
00:57:55,000 --> 00:57:56,000
because this character here

918
00:57:57,000 --> 00:57:58,000
looks a bit like Superman

919
00:57:59,000 --> 00:58:00,000
or Batman or somebody

920
00:58:01,000 --> 00:58:02,000
which Batman by the way

921
00:58:03,000 --> 00:58:04,000
was running at that time in Australia

922
00:58:05,000 --> 00:58:06,000
and he was running at that time

923
00:58:07,000 --> 00:58:08,000
and he was running at that time

924
00:58:08,000 --> 00:58:09,000
by the way was running at that time in Australia

925
00:58:10,000 --> 00:58:11,000
no, oh well no

926
00:58:12,000 --> 00:58:13,000
it was one of those strange characters

927
00:58:14,000 --> 00:58:15,000
and we thought well perhaps

928
00:58:16,000 --> 00:58:17,000
these boys are making things up

929
00:58:18,000 --> 00:58:19,000
but we couldn't write their story down

930
00:58:20,000 --> 00:58:21,000
and neither could the police

931
00:58:22,000 --> 00:58:23,000
the police kept that for some time

932
00:58:24,000 --> 00:58:25,000
and then to have satiated even further

933
00:58:26,000 --> 00:58:28,000
several, about 30 or 40 separate people

934
00:58:29,000 --> 00:58:30,000
living nearby reported

935
00:58:31,000 --> 00:58:32,000
that on that afternoon

936
00:58:33,000 --> 00:58:34,000
they had seen a strange

937
00:58:35,000 --> 00:58:36,000
saucer shaped craft

938
00:58:36,000 --> 00:58:37,000
in the sky

939
00:58:38,000 --> 00:58:39,000
so we thought maybe there's something in it

940
00:58:40,000 --> 00:58:41,000
then came the collaboration

941
00:58:42,000 --> 00:58:44,000
well another landing if you like

942
00:58:45,000 --> 00:58:46,000
that sort of pointed this

943
00:58:47,000 --> 00:58:48,000
the fact that this story could be quite true

944
00:58:49,000 --> 00:58:50,000
and this took place

945
00:58:51,000 --> 00:58:53,000
up in the north of South Australia

946
00:58:54,000 --> 00:58:55,000
in a small farm

947
00:58:56,000 --> 00:58:57,000
and the woman on the farm

948
00:58:58,000 --> 00:58:59,000
had been getting all sorts of strange experiences

949
00:59:00,000 --> 00:59:01,000
which I won't go into now

950
00:59:02,000 --> 00:59:03,000
because I mostly have a psychic nature

951
00:59:04,000 --> 00:59:05,000
which of course is unapproachable

952
00:59:06,000 --> 00:59:07,000
than any shape or form

953
00:59:08,000 --> 00:59:09,000
we just don't know about psychic phenomena

954
00:59:10,000 --> 00:59:11,000
but we certainly know about the object

955
00:59:12,000 --> 00:59:13,000
that landed in the front garden

956
00:59:15,000 --> 00:59:16,000
about two o'clock in the morning

957
00:59:17,000 --> 00:59:19,000
an object hovered in her front garden

958
00:59:22,000 --> 00:59:23,000
shone a beam of light

959
00:59:24,000 --> 00:59:25,000
in through the window

960
00:59:26,000 --> 00:59:27,000
which woke her and her husband

961
00:59:28,000 --> 00:59:30,000
and her husband is a very hard headed

962
00:59:31,000 --> 00:59:33,000
chappy, a real wheat farmer

963
00:59:34,000 --> 00:59:35,000
before this

964
00:59:37,000 --> 00:59:38,000
he thought that his wife was going bonkers

965
00:59:39,000 --> 00:59:41,000
even at the stage of sending her to the local

966
00:59:42,000 --> 00:59:43,000
to a psychiatrist not allowed

967
00:59:44,000 --> 00:59:46,000
and actually the psychiatrist turned out to be a euphor addict

968
00:59:47,000 --> 00:59:48,000
so that didn't prove anything

969
00:59:49,000 --> 00:59:50,000
but after this case

970
00:59:51,000 --> 00:59:53,000
after this time he became a firm believer himself

971
00:59:54,000 --> 00:59:55,000
in the whole subject

972
00:59:56,000 --> 00:59:57,000
and he was very much a believer

973
00:59:58,000 --> 00:59:59,000
and he was a very good believer

974
01:00:00,000 --> 01:00:01,000
and he was a very good believer

975
01:00:01,000 --> 01:00:02,000
and a believer himself in the whole subject

976
01:00:03,000 --> 01:00:04,000
this object hovered in the front garden

977
01:00:05,000 --> 01:00:06,000
and was a disc shaped object

978
01:00:07,000 --> 01:00:08,000
about 30 foot in diameter

979
01:00:09,000 --> 01:00:10,000
and it was lighting up the garden

980
01:00:11,000 --> 01:00:12,000
with a intense light

981
01:00:13,000 --> 01:00:15,000
and as she saw as her eyes

982
01:00:16,000 --> 01:00:17,000
became accustomed to the light

983
01:00:18,000 --> 01:00:20,000
she noticed that there was a character

984
01:00:22,000 --> 01:00:23,000
standing in the garden

985
01:00:24,000 --> 01:00:25,000
holding a box like contraption

986
01:00:26,000 --> 01:00:27,000
in front of his face

987
01:00:28,000 --> 01:00:29,000
and apparently taking photographs

988
01:00:29,000 --> 01:00:30,000
or reading or something of all the plants

989
01:00:31,000 --> 01:00:32,000
he would point the object at the plants

990
01:00:33,000 --> 01:00:34,000
there would be a slight click

991
01:00:35,000 --> 01:00:36,000
and it would be that

992
01:00:37,000 --> 01:00:38,000
he then swung around

993
01:00:39,000 --> 01:00:40,000
and saw her

994
01:00:41,000 --> 01:00:42,000
pointed the object at her

995
01:00:43,000 --> 01:00:44,000
she thought her last day that suddenly come

996
01:00:45,000 --> 01:00:46,000
and when first clicked

997
01:00:47,000 --> 01:00:48,000
no effect

998
01:00:49,000 --> 01:00:50,000
then he quite casually

999
01:00:51,000 --> 01:00:52,000
turned around

1000
01:00:53,000 --> 01:00:54,000
and walked away

1001
01:00:55,000 --> 01:00:57,000
suddenly the bright light from the craft

1002
01:00:57,000 --> 01:00:58,000
overhead went out

1003
01:00:59,000 --> 01:01:00,000
now naturally

1004
01:01:01,000 --> 01:01:02,000
as you can imagine with this intense white light

1005
01:01:03,000 --> 01:01:04,000
and suddenly going out

1006
01:01:05,000 --> 01:01:06,000
of course the Mrs. that the woman concerned

1007
01:01:07,000 --> 01:01:08,000
was completely blinded for some time

1008
01:01:09,000 --> 01:01:10,000
not to mention astoundant

1009
01:01:11,000 --> 01:01:12,000
and when she looked

1010
01:01:13,000 --> 01:01:14,000
this craft when she finally were going to site

1011
01:01:15,000 --> 01:01:16,000
the craft had gone

1012
01:01:17,000 --> 01:01:18,000
the occupant had gone

1013
01:01:19,000 --> 01:01:20,000
she did go out in the garden

1014
01:01:21,000 --> 01:01:22,000
she didn't fact find footprints

1015
01:01:23,000 --> 01:01:24,000
now she was very concerned

1016
01:01:24,000 --> 01:01:25,000
and she didn't fact find footprints

1017
01:01:26,000 --> 01:01:27,000
now her description

1018
01:01:28,000 --> 01:01:29,000
this is what I'm coming to

1019
01:01:30,000 --> 01:01:31,000
her description of the chappy

1020
01:01:32,000 --> 01:01:33,000
was almost identical

1021
01:01:34,000 --> 01:01:35,000
to the two young lads description

1022
01:01:37,000 --> 01:01:39,000
now the two people could not have collaborated with each other

1023
01:01:40,000 --> 01:01:41,000
in any way shape or form

1024
01:01:43,000 --> 01:01:44,000
because Mrs. Plyos

1025
01:01:45,000 --> 01:01:46,000
case took place

1026
01:01:47,000 --> 01:01:48,000
before

1027
01:01:49,000 --> 01:01:50,000
the landing at Clinton

1028
01:01:52,000 --> 01:01:53,000
about three weeks before

1029
01:01:54,000 --> 01:01:55,000
of course all

1030
01:01:56,000 --> 01:01:57,000
this was kept completely secret

1031
01:01:58,000 --> 01:01:59,000
was only known to about four people

1032
01:02:00,000 --> 01:02:01,000
myself included about Mrs. Plyos

1033
01:02:02,000 --> 01:02:03,000
that's the thumbs wire

1034
01:02:04,000 --> 01:02:06,000
so here we have an excellent case

1035
01:02:07,000 --> 01:02:08,000
of two landings

1036
01:02:09,000 --> 01:02:10,000
completely apparently unrelated

1037
01:02:11,000 --> 01:02:12,000
but with the same character

1038
01:02:13,000 --> 01:02:14,000
dressed identically

1039
01:02:15,000 --> 01:02:16,000
she said the thing that struck her

1040
01:02:17,000 --> 01:02:18,000
was the coppery red colour of his face

1041
01:02:19,000 --> 01:02:20,000
and his big nose

1042
01:02:21,000 --> 01:02:22,000
my quote

1043
01:02:24,000 --> 01:02:26,000
the face of the pilot was coppery red

1044
01:02:27,000 --> 01:02:28,000
and his nose large

1045
01:02:31,000 --> 01:02:32,000
so we had to think twice about

1046
01:02:33,000 --> 01:02:34,000
the two young boys

1047
01:02:35,000 --> 01:02:36,000
and they're citing a Batman

1048
01:02:38,000 --> 01:02:40,000
a very very interesting and intriguing case

1049
01:02:41,000 --> 01:02:42,000
the two of them

1050
01:02:43,000 --> 01:02:44,000
and especially the fact

1051
01:02:45,000 --> 01:02:46,000
about the young boys

1052
01:02:47,000 --> 01:02:48,000
about the fort line

1053
01:02:49,000 --> 01:02:50,000
and there was one other thing that happened

1054
01:02:50,000 --> 01:02:53,000
two young lads found

1055
01:02:54,000 --> 01:02:56,000
about two days later found a great hole

1056
01:02:57,000 --> 01:02:58,000
a completely square hole

1057
01:02:59,000 --> 01:03:00,000
had been cut

1058
01:03:01,000 --> 01:03:02,000
in the bank of this creek

1059
01:03:03,000 --> 01:03:04,000
now I went and saw this hole

1060
01:03:05,000 --> 01:03:06,000
and I assure you that it couldn't have been done

1061
01:03:07,000 --> 01:03:08,000
with a human shovel

1062
01:03:09,000 --> 01:03:10,000
it would have to have been done

1063
01:03:11,000 --> 01:03:12,000
by some form of square die

1064
01:03:13,000 --> 01:03:14,000
that would move into the bank

1065
01:03:15,000 --> 01:03:16,000
cut straight into it

1066
01:03:17,000 --> 01:03:18,000
and remove a great junk of

1067
01:03:18,000 --> 01:03:19,000
earth

1068
01:03:20,000 --> 01:03:22,000
now had in fact this craft been there before

1069
01:03:25,000 --> 01:03:26,000
early in the morning perhaps

1070
01:03:27,000 --> 01:03:28,000
and taking samples

1071
01:03:29,000 --> 01:03:30,000
who knows

1072
01:03:31,000 --> 01:03:32,000
well I was going to tell you about Arnhem Land

1073
01:03:33,000 --> 01:03:34,000
and all sorts of funny things that happened up there

1074
01:03:35,000 --> 01:03:36,000
but I see that time is running short

1075
01:03:37,000 --> 01:03:38,000
so I'll have to leave that to another time

1076
01:03:39,000 --> 01:03:40,000
but I will briefly tell you

1077
01:03:41,000 --> 01:03:42,000
about the case that took place

1078
01:03:43,000 --> 01:03:44,000
just before I left Australia

1079
01:03:45,000 --> 01:03:46,000
on the tracking station in Darwin

1080
01:03:47,000 --> 01:03:48,000
now I actually took part in this

1081
01:03:49,000 --> 01:03:50,000
as it was happening

1082
01:03:51,000 --> 01:03:53,000
and I can release this information now

1083
01:03:54,000 --> 01:03:56,000
because the security has been lifted on this case

1084
01:03:57,000 --> 01:03:59,000
that was classified as secret

1085
01:04:00,000 --> 01:04:01,000
but has now been released

1086
01:04:04,000 --> 01:04:06,000
we were engaged in Doppler tracking of satellites

1087
01:04:07,000 --> 01:04:08,000
I won't go into the technicalities of it

1088
01:04:09,000 --> 01:04:10,000
and we had a teleprinter link

1089
01:04:11,000 --> 01:04:12,000
with NASA headquarters in the states

1090
01:04:13,000 --> 01:04:14,000
in fact there's a NASA network

1091
01:04:14,000 --> 01:04:15,000
right throughout the world

1092
01:04:16,000 --> 01:04:17,000
and we were in contact

1093
01:04:18,000 --> 01:04:19,000
by the Adelaide Center

1094
01:04:20,000 --> 01:04:21,000
NASA Center

1095
01:04:22,000 --> 01:04:23,000
Communication Center

1096
01:04:24,000 --> 01:04:25,000
with both Womera

1097
01:04:26,000 --> 01:04:27,000
and the new tracking station at Canavern

1098
01:04:29,000 --> 01:04:30,000
in Western Australia

1099
01:04:31,000 --> 01:04:32,000
that's the station which is now tracking

1100
01:04:33,000 --> 01:04:34,000
the latest men in space

1101
01:04:35,000 --> 01:04:36,000
the project Gemini

1102
01:04:37,000 --> 01:04:38,000
and the next project Apollo

1103
01:04:40,000 --> 01:04:42,000
this was about 9 o'clock at night

1104
01:04:42,000 --> 01:04:44,000
we just finished tracking a satellite pass

1105
01:04:45,000 --> 01:04:46,000
and the teleprinter went crazy

1106
01:04:47,000 --> 01:04:49,000
there was an urgent message from Canavern to us

1107
01:04:51,000 --> 01:04:52,000
now they had just installed

1108
01:04:53,000 --> 01:04:54,000
their latest radar

1109
01:04:55,000 --> 01:04:57,000
their latest ground to space radar system

1110
01:04:58,000 --> 01:05:00,000
which has an 80 foot diameter dish

1111
01:05:02,000 --> 01:05:04,000
and runs 18 megawatts of peak power

1112
01:05:05,000 --> 01:05:07,000
and can literally pinpoint

1113
01:05:08,000 --> 01:05:10,000
an object the size of a basketball

1114
01:05:12,000 --> 01:05:14,000
in space at 10,000 kilometers range

1115
01:05:16,000 --> 01:05:17,000
there's a fantastic piece of equipment

1116
01:05:18,000 --> 01:05:19,000
and they were trying this out

1117
01:05:20,000 --> 01:05:21,000
and they said

1118
01:05:22,000 --> 01:05:23,000
we have an unidentified ploughie

1119
01:05:25,000 --> 01:05:26,000
approaching the earth

1120
01:05:28,000 --> 01:05:29,000
said don't laugh

1121
01:05:30,000 --> 01:05:32,000
at 50,000 kilometers per hour

1122
01:05:35,000 --> 01:05:36,000
so we think that they first thought

1123
01:05:37,000 --> 01:05:39,000
the radar wasn't working properly

1124
01:05:40,000 --> 01:05:41,000
they were picking up some scatter reflection

1125
01:05:42,000 --> 01:05:45,000
but it turned out the object was completely solid

1126
01:05:46,000 --> 01:05:47,000
they said

1127
01:05:48,000 --> 01:05:49,000
we have fed the cord that's into our computer

1128
01:05:50,000 --> 01:05:51,000
and we've computed that the track

1129
01:05:52,000 --> 01:05:53,000
will take it over Darwin

1130
01:05:54,000 --> 01:05:55,000
in approximately 5 minutes

1131
01:05:59,000 --> 01:06:00,000
so we rushed out

1132
01:06:01,000 --> 01:06:03,000
I immediately ran the RAF station at Darwin

1133
01:06:05,000 --> 01:06:06,000
they had their radar scanning

1134
01:06:07,000 --> 01:06:08,000
their close range radar

1135
01:06:09,000 --> 01:06:10,000
the long range radar scanning

1136
01:06:10,000 --> 01:06:11,000
I rushed outside

1137
01:06:12,000 --> 01:06:13,000
and unfortunately we missed it

1138
01:06:14,000 --> 01:06:15,000
but the RAF station at Darwin didn't

1139
01:06:16,000 --> 01:06:17,000
they guys thought

1140
01:06:18,000 --> 01:06:19,000
it went overhead at a fantastic speed

1141
01:06:20,000 --> 01:06:21,000
they said it was like a great fireball

1142
01:06:22,000 --> 01:06:23,000
trailing sparks

1143
01:06:24,000 --> 01:06:25,000
but definitely circular in shape

1144
01:06:26,000 --> 01:06:27,000
and a pilot officer

1145
01:06:28,000 --> 01:06:29,000
of some many hours flying time

1146
01:06:30,000 --> 01:06:31,000
said it was like nothing he'd seen before

1147
01:06:32,000 --> 01:06:34,000
he said as it went over the station

1148
01:06:35,000 --> 01:06:36,000
it changed course

1149
01:06:37,000 --> 01:06:38,000
it executed almost a 90 degree turn

1150
01:06:38,000 --> 01:06:40,000
now no meteorite does this

1151
01:06:42,000 --> 01:06:43,000
and they said

1152
01:06:44,000 --> 01:06:46,000
we got severe interference to our radar system

1153
01:06:47,000 --> 01:06:49,000
they picked up the object on the radar as it approached

1154
01:06:50,000 --> 01:06:51,000
but they said even before the radar

1155
01:06:52,000 --> 01:06:53,000
could sweep ground for its next sweep

1156
01:06:54,000 --> 01:06:55,000
and take the next reading on it

1157
01:06:56,000 --> 01:06:57,000
said the radar was just literally full snow

1158
01:06:58,000 --> 01:06:59,000
terrific interference

1159
01:07:00,000 --> 01:07:01,000
all communication systems stopped on the RAF station

1160
01:07:03,000 --> 01:07:04,000
terrific interference on the radio systems

1161
01:07:05,000 --> 01:07:06,000
I noticed our Doppler tracking receivers were going crazy

1162
01:07:08,000 --> 01:07:09,000
I then suddenly righted myself as the object went

1163
01:07:12,000 --> 01:07:13,000
evidently we were a fraction too late

1164
01:07:14,000 --> 01:07:15,000
we came out of our tracking station

1165
01:07:16,000 --> 01:07:17,000
just as the object was sort of going over the horizon

1166
01:07:18,000 --> 01:07:19,000
or we missed it

1167
01:07:20,000 --> 01:07:21,000
about half an hour later

1168
01:07:22,000 --> 01:07:23,000
some two, a courting couple

1169
01:07:24,000 --> 01:07:25,000
on the curtain

1170
01:07:26,000 --> 01:07:27,000
on the curtain

1171
01:07:28,000 --> 01:07:29,000
on the radio

1172
01:07:30,000 --> 01:07:31,000
on the radio

1173
01:07:31,000 --> 01:07:32,000
a courting couple

1174
01:07:33,000 --> 01:07:35,000
on the cliffs of nightcliffe in Darwin reported

1175
01:07:36,000 --> 01:07:38,000
that they were watching a B formation of coloured lights

1176
01:07:39,000 --> 01:07:40,000
executing manoeuvres over the sea

1177
01:07:41,000 --> 01:07:43,000
and they wanted if this was the Indonesian invasion

1178
01:07:44,000 --> 01:07:45,000
which at that time was imminent

1179
01:07:46,000 --> 01:07:47,000
so people thought

1180
01:07:48,000 --> 01:07:49,000
and they rang us

1181
01:07:50,000 --> 01:07:51,000
and in fact

1182
01:07:52,000 --> 01:07:53,000
objects were seen over the sea

1183
01:07:55,000 --> 01:07:56,000
and that started a whole series of UFO reports

1184
01:07:57,000 --> 01:07:58,000
in Darwin's sightings

1185
01:07:59,000 --> 01:08:00,000
which I won't go into

1186
01:08:01,000 --> 01:08:02,000
now including a submarine one which

1187
01:08:03,000 --> 01:08:04,000
which

1188
01:08:05,000 --> 01:08:06,000
and I think they came out of the sea

1189
01:08:07,000 --> 01:08:08,000
and heated up the sea

1190
01:08:09,000 --> 01:08:10,000
terrific great clear sighting

1191
01:08:11,000 --> 01:08:12,000
in fact so much so that the RAF up there got so worried

1192
01:08:13,000 --> 01:08:14,000
they sent out

1193
01:08:15,000 --> 01:08:16,000
Neptune bombers to search the ocean

1194
01:08:17,000 --> 01:08:18,000
to see what was going on

1195
01:08:19,000 --> 01:08:20,000
they thought they'd better defend the cliff

1196
01:08:22,000 --> 01:08:23,000
of our

1197
01:08:24,000 --> 01:08:25,000
defend our station so they brought up a

1198
01:08:26,000 --> 01:08:27,000
3.5 inch field gun

1199
01:08:28,000 --> 01:08:29,000
this was going to do it

1200
01:08:31,000 --> 01:08:32,000
well I haven't got time unfortunately to go into

1201
01:08:33,000 --> 01:08:34,000
all sorts of things about

1202
01:08:35,000 --> 01:08:36,000
old ancient cave paintings

1203
01:08:37,000 --> 01:08:38,000
and reports of UFOs by natives

1204
01:08:39,000 --> 01:08:40,000
up in the northern territory

1205
01:08:41,000 --> 01:08:42,000
in ancient places where they've been seen

1206
01:08:43,000 --> 01:08:44,000
for thousands of years

1207
01:08:45,000 --> 01:08:46,000
so I will close now

1208
01:08:47,000 --> 01:08:48,000
I hope that's been

1209
01:08:49,000 --> 01:08:50,000
an interesting run down

1210
01:08:51,000 --> 01:08:52,000
on what's happened up to date in Australia

1211
01:08:53,000 --> 01:08:54,000
as you can see they've

1212
01:08:55,000 --> 01:08:56,000
had quite a good deal of landings

1213
01:08:57,000 --> 01:08:58,000
and fairly spectacular sightings

1214
01:08:58,000 --> 01:08:59,000
and I'm sure these will go on

1215
01:09:00,000 --> 01:09:01,000
unfortunately for England

1216
01:09:02,000 --> 01:09:03,000
of course the population being so dense

1217
01:09:04,000 --> 01:09:05,000
I don't think that

1218
01:09:06,000 --> 01:09:07,000
England is going to have the

1219
01:09:08,000 --> 01:09:09,000
the quantity

1220
01:09:10,000 --> 01:09:11,000
of these landings

1221
01:09:12,000 --> 01:09:13,000
thank you very much